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What's this?Fisher answers frequently asked questions about the Ohio Ag Agreement

*UPDATE* - The remainder of the interview has been posted below.
Ohio Farm Bureau Federation Executive Vice President Jack Fisher, in an exclusive conversation with Ohio's Country Journal, answered many frequently asked questions that have been brought forth since an agreement was announced between Ohio agriculture and the Humane Society of the United States on June 30.
Ohio's Country Journal features the conversation on its website today. Below is the first Q&A from the conversation, followed by a list of the questions Fisher answered.
READ THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION ON OCJ.COM.
OCJ: How does this agreement affect Issue 2 and the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board?
Jack: The work farmers put into passing Issue 2 is paying off. Farmers said the Care Board was the proper way to handle complex questions about farm animal care. Ohio voters agreed. Now, HSUS acknowledges this. Without the Care Board, the only option to deal with animal issues would be costly, damaging ballot fights. That hasn’t worked out too well in other states.
Farm groups will now make recommendations to the Board that are believed to be acceptable ways to deal with some very contentious issues. The Board will consider recommendations from others as well. HSUS has committed to get in line with everyone else who wants to share an opinion. The Board will make its own decisions, just as intended under Issue 2.
OCJ: If the board doesn’t follow the recommendations, won’t HSUS just come back with its ballot initiative?
Jack: They could. But they would have to explain to Ohio voters why they doubled-back on their public promise to support the Board’s authority and Ohio’s constitutional model of governance. It will be a much tougher position to argue from. The agreement has certainly turned public opinion in our favor when it comes to any future challenges to the Care Board.
OCJ: Doesn’t this just give HSUS a foot in the door to move on to increasingly tougher rules until we are no longer able to produce meat, milk and eggs?
Jack: The fact is that HSUS was already in the house. Their $100 million budget is the battering ram that got them there. A win against HSUS in November wouldn’t have dealt them a deadly blow, but rather a temporary setback. We could continue down this path year after year, throwing money into political campaigns until we were finally outspent.
The root of the problem is that consumers feel regulation is needed to address their concerns. We may not like it, but it is reality. So change is inevitable. Do we try to stop the truck by jumping in front of it, or do we get behind the wheel and control our destination?
Because of Issue 2 and the agreement, we have proven to consumers we are serious about dealing with animal issues. If we cultivate our relationship with consumers with the same enthusiasm that we have fought HSUS, we will effectively cut off our opponents’ path to establishing unworkable new rules. Our trump card is that HSUS’s agenda can only go as far as Ohio consumers allow it. And we have a better story to tell.
OCJ: Why is the deal being reported as a Farm Bureau-HSUS agreement?
Jack: Ohio’s beef, corn, dairy, pork, poultry and soybean organizations along with Farm Bureau made up the Ohioans for Livestock Care coalition, which worked together on Issue 2 and during the talks with the governor and HSUS. As the executive for Ohio’s largest farm organization, and the only one who could speak across commodity lines, I had a more visible role. Members of the media, reporting to a non-agricultural audience, chose to use Farm Bureau as a familiar shorthand for all of the members of the agricultural coalition.
It is important to note, each commodity organization, and Farm Bureau, came to individual conclusions on whether to negotiate, and then what to give and get. Without unanimous consent among the groups there would have been no deal. Unlike other states where HSUS has been able to divide and conquer, Ohio maintained unity.
OCJ: Did you throw pet breeders and other animal breeders under the bus?
Jack: No. HSUS wanted the non-livestock provisions in the overall agreement, and we explained repeatedly that we had no standing to represent any animal breeders other than livestock. The non-livestock provisions will be addressed by HSUS, the governor’s office and appropriate state agencies. In regard to OFBF’s position on the non-livestock issues:
OFBF opposes cockfighting.
We will engage in the dog breeding discussions; our commitment is to help find workable common ground. We also will work to protect the animal-owners’ rights to utilize responsible animal husbandry and business practices in areas such as genetics, nutrition, housing and marketing (including the auction system).
The agreement’s provisions regarding wild and dangerous animals are between HSUS and the governor’s office. We are encouraging these breeders to work with their elected officials and state agencies and will assist any Farm Bureau members who are impacted.
Additionally, we will talk with any animal trade association regarding how the Care Board concept might serve as a model for other animal industries. All animal producers can benefit from a system that meets animal owners’ needs while satisfying consumer expectations.
OCJ: Why didn’t you ask for Farm Bureau members’ opinions before making a deal?
Jack: Farm Bureau has a decision-making system that has served us well for 91 years. In our representative form of governance, members elect county delegates who in turn elect state trustees. The 26 farmers who are OFBF’s trustees are empowered to make decisions on behalf of the organization, especially in time-sensitive situations.
In this case, the trustees gave me a set of guiding principles to follow in discussions with the governor and HSUS. Those principles were to protect the authority of the Care Board, to preserve unity among farm organizations, to ensure a positive business climate for farmers, to retain bipartisan political support for agriculture’s agenda, and to put farmers and consumers first while discussing humane treatment of animals. These principles, and the OFBF policy book, guided my actions. I also relied on the counsel of OFBF board members who engaged regularly and frequently throughout the process.
OCJ: How could you even talk to our sworn enemies?
Jack: Like you, I was ready for war; a bloody battle of farmers defending their livelihoods against the powerful animal rights machine. We were preparing to win, and I believed in my heart we could. But with the fate of Ohio’s $90 billion ag industry at stake, and the governor calling to say there might be an alternative to a win-or-die-trying battle, we had to listen. We were obliged to consider what the risks were to Ohio farmers and how to best manage those risks.
If HSUS was on the ballot this year, the campaign could have cost farmers their reputation. We faced an onslaught of ugly animal abuse commercials. Thirty years of reputation building would vanish in the span of a 30-second television ad. Never mind that the ads are misleading, they’re proven effective. We would have been left vulnerable to future challenges too, not just on livestock housing, but a host of other politically charged issues. Would a victory at the ballot be worth these immeasurable costs?
We also faced spending up to $15 million on the campaign. And if we had won, we would likely have to spend the same or more for years to come. HSUS is rich and as committed as we are.
Another consideration was your farm organizations’ limited resources. A ballot fight is a full time job. There would be no time to devote to energy legislation, the farm bill, the state budget or hundreds of other issues farmers expect their organizations to address.
These are just the costs of winning. But what if we’d lost? Livestock producers would have been subject to rigid, rapid changes in production practices that would be unmanageable, so some would simply move to a non-ballot initiative state, taking with them our livestock infrastructure and along with it the corn and soybean market. The idea of letting HSUS have any say whatsoever in farm production practices is distasteful. But under the agreement, HSUS isn’t in charge. The Care Board will decide, not just what’s best for animals, but also what’s best for farmers and consumers.
In the end, the agreement managed risks, provided some clarity for farm business planning, protected agriculture’s reputation and preserved the accomplishments we made with Issue 2.
Not for one moment do I think HSUS will go away. Their mission remains putting livestock farmers out of business. Ohio Farm Bureau’s mission remains forging a partnership between farmers and consumers. To do that we must counter the HSUS threat. The agreement means we’ll now be doing that through continuing engagement instead of a date-certain showdown. Your passion for this long-term struggle will determine our success.
Reader Comments (11)

I have not found anything implying HSUS put forth this agreement as a pieces and parts deal. I think both parties know it is a take it or leave it verbal agreement. The terms are explicitly stated and that includes pushing acceptace of SB 95 [3) Recommendations will be made to the legislature to support and pass SB 95 largely in the current form, which regulates dog breeding kennels]. In essence even though OFBF can't regulate it, if the OLCSB accepts the agreement we must abide by the parts regulating those different groups that had no representation present. I think it is clear OFBF threw them under the bus.
Where exactly is the public promise that HSUS made to support the Livestock Care Standards Board? Wayne Pacelle agreed with the mission and the purpose of the Livestock Care Standards Board which is to create livestock care standards, promote safe and affordable food, encourage local food production and prevent disease. Im willing to bet Wayne Pacelle can convince Ohio voters thats exactly what he wants when he pushes for legislation that he supports even if the OLCSB does not believe it is the best way to achieve their mission. If we dont commit to all terms of this agreement, and do it to the satisfaction of the HSUS, they will be back. They wont have to explain anything to Ohios voters. OFBF is going to be made out to look as though they are the ones that did not uphold the agreement terms. OFBF will be made out to be the double-backed liars, which I believe the organization isnt far from.
I do not understand why anyone would believe this compromise will force HSUS to stand in line and represent their views to the OLCSB in the same way every Ohioan must. Obviously that is not true when half of the research dollars will be coming from the HSUS and they are going to be stringing the board along every 3-4 years to make sure the progress achieved toward the agreement goals is satisfactory. Did OFBF demand a clear definition of what satisfactory progress will be? HSUS will be back, we all know that and this agreement does nothing to prevent their return. Stop talking about how they would have been back year after year if they hadnt won this November. Does that matter? Ag. was already making the changes people wanted to see. Winning this November and then showing the public that we care about our animals and their desires because WE believe it is the right thing to do would have brought consumers closer to the farmers feeding them. If OFBF would do a better job of condemning the few who really do commit animal abuse, perhaps we wouldnt have such a hard time convincing our consumers that farmers truly do care for their animals and the overwhelming majority of farmers would treat their animals in the horrific manners being shown to them on TV. Now, with this agreement HSUS gets to tell the consumers that it was their pressure that brought humane care to animals and consumers are going to have to support HSUS if they want to maintain the pressure and advance animal welfare. Clearly, the only way agriculture can regulate itself is with HSUS as a part of the negotiations. That is the message that has been sent!
Im ashamed of every person at the table that supported this compromise They exchanged a few million dollars for an "agreement" of temporary security and a lifetime of animal advocate assaults on our farmers.
Matthew Weeman
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If OFBF would do a better job of condemning the few who really do commit animal abuse; perhaps we wouldnt have such a hard time convincing our consumers that farmers truly do care for their animals and the overwhelming majority of farmers would NEVER treat their animals in the horrific manners being shown to them on TV.
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Read the proposed amendment. The issue is not about a few isolated incidents of animal abuse as was shown occuring at the Conklin farm. It is mainly about the extreme confinement of animals on farms commonly called "factory farms." As for the euthanasia and downer cow issues, they were no-brainers.
By the way, speaking of Conklin, what vet textbook teaches kicking an animal as a way of getting up off the ground? flag as improper

If farmers themselves, or the organizations that are supposed to be representing them would do a better job of showing how they care for their animals and why they do not abuse their animals it could rebuild trust between two factions that have been distanced further and further over the generations. It is hard for most of our farmers to convey this message so it was up to OFBF to do what they could not, unfortunately OFBF fell short. I believe we've been doing a lot to catch up for lost time, it's too bad OFBF allowed ourselves to be put in a position of catching up. There really is no excuse for it, this has been on the horizon for over a decade, most, like OFBF, were just hoping it would go away. Farmers by and large are some of the most ethical upstanding individuals in society but HSUS is trying to convince consumers otherwise, because they dont want people to eat meat. Farmers contributions are largely under appreciated, every single living person benefits every single day from the work farmers do.
I agree that the euthanasia and downer cow issues are "no brainers" that's why slaughter of downed cows is already illegal. Humane euthanasia standards have long been outlined. Those in clear violation of the appropriate standards should be held responsible. Making laws allowing for harsh punishment is appropriate and was going to be done through the Livestock Care Standards Board. HSUS involvement with these issues was never needed and the only reason HSUS brought it up was to burry their real objectives beneath the "no brainer" issues.
For the factory farm issue, based on the vet reference you made, I assume you've already read the previous post I made about the subject so I invite you to bring forth some challenges to those statements if you would like me to discuss it further.
Finally, I'm not going to speak of any specific individual on this forum. I can answer your question though. I'm not sure that a vet school textbook would outline "how to get up a cow" most of them are focusing on other more complex concepts. After spending my entire life on a dairy farm I know from experience that a cow that doesn't want to get up simply won't get up. From your comments it's clear you've likely never experienced this personally but I have.
There are a number of ways we can try to get a cow on her feet. These animals are 900-1,700 pounds or more so its not an easy task. If your dog won't get up what do you do? In the event your dog is extremely sick you probably pick the animal up and carry it to the vet. This can also be done with cows but it requires heavy equipment and is typically a last resort option, unavailable in most circumstances. If your dog is simply being stubborn, as cows can also be, you may give your dog a slight tug on the leash or a gentle nudge. This usually is not going to be effective on an animal roughly 6 times your weight.
Is kicking the cow appropriate? I suppose that is going to depend on the situation. I think most vet school textbooks would approach the situation from more of a medical standpoint. A downed cow is not eating. A downed cow is likely not drinking or ruminating. A downed cow is unable to rotate her body which can cause massive sores, like the bed sores humans get. Like in humans, those sores do not take long to get infected. If she is unable to get to water and eat she is going to deteriorate quickly and the chances of saving her life continually decrease the longer she is down. If her muscles are undergoing atrophy in the rare event that she is alive long enough for this to occur, it will become almost impossible to rehabilitate her after much time at all. Aside from these issues one must also consider the need for that animal to be milked. If the animal is producing and cant stand to be milked we face the possibility of mastitis that could quickly cause her condition to deteriorate and claim her life. Finally, she is going to be uncomfortable and allowing her to remain down for an extended period of time is not in her best interests and could also be considered abusive.
Could kicking a cow be considered abuse? Yes, if it is excessive and being done for no reason. I think what you'll often find, as juries often do when presented with these videos is that the video is altered to make the event look much worse than it actually is. If an independent jury is able to come to the conclusion that kicking an animal is not abuse perhaps it's time for you to consider the fact that you don't have all of the information at your disposal, are extremely biased or simply don't understand. Ask yourself, why would a person who truly wants to abuse a cow kick her? As I said shes likely 6-8 times that persons weight and kicking her will likely hurt the person more than the cow.
Matthew Weeman
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This is the most important lesson that we can learn. If we ask anyone to hate anyone else for any reason some of that hate will come back to us. If we ask anyone to attack anyone else for any reason they will attack. Any attempts to correct human behavior or simply to rescue animals that are in a bad situation must be carefully controlled. The record shows that not only do these attempts go out of control, the promoters deliberately take it outside of control and in many places they have acquired "powers" that place them above American courts, American prosecutors, and American law enforcement. To do this they depend on a belief in punishing animal abusers and for us to simply disbelieve that they have powers, which the courts and legislatures have granted them by arranging to exempt them from punishment for their crimes.
The negative way to defend innocent animals is to find people to attack, destroy, and ostracize from society. What they're attempting to do to exotic animal owners is exactly that. The positive way is to include people, pretty much anyone who can show a good record of feeding the animals and keeping them reasonably clean. I would far rather see a society that is too tolerant of foibles than the one that the HSUS is trying to build, rotting us from the ground up, using our eagerness to go way overboard to get at people who we see as animal abusers. It is not our failure to condemn animal abusers. It is because we are all too eager to allow and participate in a witch hunt. flag as improper

Condemning those who abuse animals is not immoral, dangerous, wrong or over simplified, it is the right thing to do and I believe almost all of our farmers feel the same way. I'm not talking about condemning those that happen to fall into the camera lense of radical activists who will do anything to make an action look abusive. I'm talking about condemning those who, to a trained, experienced eye, are clearly abusing an animal.
Matthew Weeman
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Still, we have to sharply curtail their ability to abuse the system. I don't think that most of these "animal abuse" prosecutions could go forward if the prosecutors exercised due diligence. The people who sniff out abuse, like witchsmellers, have an agenda and will go after whoever they want to go after and they will use the false accusation of abuse to short-circuit justice to get rid of an owner or a breeder.
If we cannot control the system that fights animal abuse we are better off without it. Almost every animal owner performs adequately and every human is entitled to a certain right to privacy and freedom from unwarranted intrusion into their lives. I do not see the existence of animal abuse as justifying this much intrusion. flag as improper

I'm almost certain you don't understand what I am saying. I do not understand your point of contention with what I said and until that changes I'll politely remove myself from the discussion with you.
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Protection of innocent people by due process of the law has been not only abandoned, it is in disfavor. Condemnation leads to a rush to judgment. A rush to judgment pushes people to abandon due process and to trample anyone who defends the innocent. Thus, condemnation makes us a danger to ourselves and others. It is what the HSUS wants us to do because they make money when we do it, but we (US citizens) are killing ourselves to make money for them.
My animals will receive caring and kindness to the point that it might be ridiculous. It is in the wrong spirit to express caring and kindness by attacking people for not being caring and kind. When we do that we are damaging the spirit in which we wanted to do our work. We are damaging ourselves. flag as improper
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